With good handloads the cartridge comes very close to 7mm Remington Magnum performance--and does it in a shorter barrel while burning a whole lot less powder. Joined Feb 25, 2019 Messages 17 Location Colorado . vs. .458 Lott• 7mm Rem. Two classic 7mm cartridges, both with well-established reputations as all-around choices for general big game hunting, and both with a fair number of devotees. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? Richard Mann tries to defend his beloved 308 Winchester against the ballistically superior 7mm-08 Remington championed by Ron Spomer. Nov 14, 2017 The 7x57 is about perfectly balanced, case size vs. bore. Mag.• .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards• .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum• .22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift• .270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM• .26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum• .458 Win. Introduced in 1925, the .270 is a necked-down .30-06 that holds .277 diameter bullets. I'm glad someone created the 6mm but it wasn't a necessity to fill a gap. Comme le 7x57, au­quel il pro­pose une al­ter­na­tive plus puis­sante, uti­li­sable dans le boî­tier des Mau­ser 98, le 7x64 est pen­sé au­tour d’une balle de 11,3 g. Pour ce­la, l’avi­sé Bren­neke choi­sit de conser­ver le pas de rayure de 220 mm (8,8 inches). Killing a big bull at a steep quartering angle takes a very good cartridge topped by a tough, deep-penetrating bullet. 280 Remington. Looking for some pet loads for the 160-168 class of bullets. par D-mon » 10 Fév 2005 01:26 . fredj, being the Sako maniac I am, it is on a M-75 action with a McMillan stock, Wiseman barrel, and Wiseman 'printing' of the action. Whether shopping for a new rifle, for perusing the used shelves of your favorite gun shop, you may very well come across a rifle in one of these cartridges, so let’s do a bit of comparing and contrasting between them. versus une .30-06, une 7mm STW versus une .300 Wby ou encore, une 7mm Ultra Mag versus une .300 Ultra Mag. Everything else being equal, what is the velocity differential between the 280 and 7x57 using reasonable maximum loads in a modern action? #3 The more efficient cases are a big part of the reason for enhanced accuracy since the powder burns more consistently. I like the Norma 156-grain Oryx load at a muzzle velocity of 2641 fps, as that bullet had proven to be wonderfully accurate and I’m a fan of that bullet’s terminal performance. You may contacxt E.R. But this isn’t due to it being chambered in weak, older rifles. Reactions: WVgoodguy22. Illustrations courtesy of Hornady March 05, 2013 By Brad Fitzpatrick. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. It shot good as a 7x57 and still shoots good as a 280 Rem, but the difference is not noticable downrange, since I reload. Mag. Pitiful. I would have to say tha as a hunting rifle, either will do about the same. I can't say anything about the .270 Winchester that hasn't already been written unless I lie. vs. .300 Ultra Mag. In their data the 280 has 26" barrel and 24" for the 270 and the 280 has alittle better velocity. Looking for some pet loads for the 160-168 class of bullets. I would not expect much difference at equal peak pressures. Thread Tools . Apologies. Effective Game Killing Cartridge of the month: 300 Winchester Magnum Inspiration Show all Inspiration 10 tips for hunters in quarantine Wild Berlin - Hunting in urban areas I've loaded the 175 in the 280 using 58 grains of 7828 for, SAAMI for the 7x57 is 51Kpsi. AH ambassador. is a first-generation smokeless powder rimless bottlenecked rifle cartridge.It is known as .275 Rigby in the United Kingdom. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. To simplify the question, the .270 holds more powder and it can shoot the same weigh bullets. Another very underrated cartridge with limited demand. vs. .300 WSM• .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. They also need less powder … 284 Win. I need the boards input 7x57 Improved (40 degree) Vs standard 280 Remington. 7x57 Mauser What rifle are you buying marked .257 Rigby? The longer .280 Remington and other similar capacity cartridges actually add little killing power, but their increased recoil and muzzle blast make it seem as if they do. Wage war across the galaxy with three unique and powerful races. I must say I'm a little surprised that an innocent little thread like this contains so many fierce defenses of one cartridge against another. vs. .284 Win. The 7x57mm Mauser is the brainchild of Peter Paul Mauser, developed in 1892, and was adopted by the Spanish Military a year later. The 300 WSM has proven to be more accurate than a 300 win mag. Mag. Re: 500Whisper Vs 12,7x57 Anthis. .257 Rigby/7x57 Mauser.257 Rigby is what British gunmakers called the 7x57 at one time. I can't part with either one!!! The case capacity and velocities generated by the .280 Remington make is a great choice for those who want the capability to take elk at 400 yards, bear over bait at 40 yards, and everything in between. All of them will kill deer with equal efficiency. Not sure if you're in the USA or if you buy factory ammo, but if that matters I'd say the 7x57 wins that battle. Jul 22, 2019 #8 Wapiti426 New member. Like @wbm says, fine … emotional thing since I liked my 7x57 so much. The 7x57 is one of my favorite Bushveld calibers but might be a bit to slow if you planning to take some of long shots at game. 1 of 2 Go to page. With the Hornady Custom .275 Rigby load 140-grain load moving at 2680 fps, it will still retain over 1,000 ft-lbs at the 400-yard mark. Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. Same with a 7-08 vs a 270 or 280. Ballistics on each are nearly the same however the cost of doing the 7x57 Imp places me about $255.00 over budget when the chamber reamer and extra dies are factored in . Largest internet ammo dealer shows 12 options for 7x57 loaded ammunition and 6 options in stock. Factory specifications for a 7mm MAuser are worthless comparisons to the handloader who is the only person to realize the potentioal of this case size. The Contestants. It was developed by Paul Mauser of the Mauser company in 1892 and adopted as a military cartridge by Spain in 1893. #2 Short actions chamberings and rifles are simply more accurate. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. Cartridge Fight: .270 Win. A modern rifle in good condition being the only rider. The cartridge and the Mauser rifle of course to this day stand out as impeccable performers on Africa big game. vs .280 Rem. jimmyraythomason, Mar 22, 2010 #7. It shot good as a 7x57 and still shoots good as a 280 Rem, but the difference is not noticable downrange, since I reload. Can run 280/160's at 3,000 fps when taken to AI pressure level. 280 Ack Imp. Last year I contracted for a custom 7x57 built by Mike McCabe (z1r). Reactions: WVgoodguy22. My favorite rifle is a 7x57. 280 Rem. Try Reloaders. We've got you covered.• .300 Win. Those were right around 50 KPSI and 2800 FPS. Does the old 7x57 offer enough to make a hunter choose it over the .280? quote: Originally posted by fredj338: What rifle is that being built on? The 7×57mm Mauser (designated as the 7mm Mauser or 7×57mm by the SAAMI and 7 × 57 by the C.I.P.) Jump to Latest Follow Killing a bull cleanly takes a good cartridge. Nothing I've pointed it at in anger has gone more than a step or two.~Muir fyrewall. Tuesday, October 27, 2020. Bell took over 1,000 elephants in his career, and a good percentage of them were with a .275 Rigby and 175-grain solid (non-expanding) bullets. The .35 I’d reserve for the last three, while the others require no more than the other options. It will offer a velocity advantage of about 300 fps or so over the 7x57mm Mauser with most bullet weights, and the most popular choice for the .280 Remington seems to be the 140-, 150- and 160-grain slugs. 270 Win vs. 7x57 If you had these two calibers and they shoot equally well which would you keep and why? 7-08 vs 280 is about the same as the 308 vs 30-06 discussion. It was subsequently adopted by several other … Alas, like the 7x57 it suffers somewhat from a low maximum breech pressure, 56,000 psi. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away”. EDIT: Also found a 7x57 test that I did on 150 grain bullets. The 175-grain loads have actually received a bit of a boost over the years, with muzzle velocities in excess of 2400 fps, and are as effective, if not more, than what Karamoja had. Introduced in 1925, the .270 is a necked-down .30-06 that holds .277 diameter bullets. and owned them. All comments are welcome and appreciated. That’s not the point, or at least it shouldn’t be whenever one hears the 7mm vs 30 caliber argument. Can you can get a 7x57 160 from 2,850 to 2,900 fps? Looking at the elder cartridge, the 7x57mm Mauser began life as a military cartridge, and went on to inspire America’s sweetheart, the .30-06 Springfield. The longer .280 Remington and other similar capacity cartridges actually add little killing power, but their increased recoil and muzzle blast make it seem as if they do. As I pointed out on another thread , I have never been able to a .280 to shoot unless i loaded down quite abit. Mag.• .404 Jeffery vs. .416 Rigby• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Creedmoor• .300 PRC vs. .300 Win. _____ CDR3 Veteran, NRA Member. par flu-flu » 09 Fév 2005 21:54 . - DrMike. vs. .340 Wby. But if you enjoy the historical ties to cartridges, and your shots stay inside of 300 yards, there’s no reason to say no to the 7x57mm Mauser; it just doesn’t have the capability of the .280 Remington at longer ranges. The 7x57 was a staple among those who lived in colonial Africa; the late Finn Aagaard related the story of the family’s 7x57 having a barrel that was shot out on game, not targets. Joined: Sep 8, 2005 Messages: This will be a tough one, as they are both excellent designs, with long histories of great field performance. 1941 270: 1895 7x57: _____ Ray. Ballistics on each are nearly the same however the cost of doing the 7x57 Imp places me about $255.00 over budget when the chamber reamer and extra dies are factored in . Some may say that the pair have both seen better days, with the 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved and 28 Nosler seeming more attractive to new hunters and shooters. Uncle Grinch, Mar … EDIT: Also found a 7x57 test that I did on 150 grain bullets. The 7x64 case is ever so slightly shorter than the .280 in case length dimensions but features slightly less body taper, evening out case capacity. 7mm Rem SA Ultra Mag. 01 October 2011, 00:40. The 7x57, 7mm-08, 6.5x55 and .260 can handle bullets ranging from about 100-160 grains very effectively. The 7x57 would seem to fit the bill, and I like the idea of using such an old chamfering, but would a 7x64 be a more pragmatic choice? Wow, what great bullet. Maybe the best way to really determine the difference in velocity potential between two cartridges is to perform tests including multiple rifles and loads loaded to the same pressure as determined by the latest test equipment. The answer is that one fits in to a short action and the other gives you about an extra 100 to 150 FPS±. Atkinson. Et le quelle est le meilleur . flu-flu Membre Confirmé Messages: 192 Images: 2 Inscription: 03 Mai 2003 21:33. Posted: Tue … The 7x57 mm is neither wildly popular nor widely available, but neither is the .280 Rem. Using a rimless, bottlenecked case measuring 57mm (2.244 inches) and a bullet diameter of 7.25mm (0.284 inches)—the land diameter is where the 7mm moniker is derived—the Mauser design used a 173- to 175-grain round nose bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2300 fps. Reactions: Gb300wm, DHuffman and Mulligan. Mag.• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington• 7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington• .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum• .338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum• .30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington• .257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage• .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington• .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser• .416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum• .308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield• .22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie• .300 Win. My guesstimate is in a 22" barrel they are pretty much one in the same. La balistique en quelques chiffres . Factory 7x57 loads typically run from 139 to 175 grains, so Hornady's 150-grain ELD-X and 162-grain ELD Match appeared perfectly suited for this. fredj, being the Sako maniac I am, it is on a M-75 action with a McMillan stock, Wiseman barrel, and Wiseman 'printing' of the action. ArmedBear Member. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … Forced to pick between the two, the .280 gives more versatility and the sensible side of me will have to give the .280 Remington the nod. Que peut-on attendre de ces 2 calibres en performance,subsonique et supersonique? I think alot goes back to when the 280 was a wildcat rd 7mm/06 and the 30-06 is 60kPSI they just kept it the same pressure level. 7-08 vs 280 is about the same as the 308 vs 30-06 discussion. Check it out! The 30-06 is a fine round and tough to beat as a do all cartridge. 100 yard Ballistic Gel testing a 140gn Core-Lokt bullet. There is a long list of cartridges that spawned from other cartridges that became phenomenal creations. vs. .300 Win. I had the .35 Whelan built some time ago for Elk hunting. HD . Survival. Twist rates for rifle barrels tend to differ slightly from manufacturer to manufacturer and from decade to decade (1:9-1:10), therefore, experimentation with the full range of 7mm bullet weights is often a requirement. Next Last. The fans of the .280 Remington are not legion, but they tend to be loyal and steadfast. Mar 2, 2013 #8 This is a bit like a 308 or 30/06 thread. I've got a rifle hunt planned for this fall in CO and need to find some factory ammo that shoots well out of my gun. One dropped like he was hit by lightening and the other took about 5 steps but never took another chew on the clump of grass in his mouth. I have two 7x57 loads that both test near 55 KPSI, and which both put a 160/162 grain bullet at a trifle under 2750 FPS. Thanks all, I appreciate it. That said, the 7x57mm Mauser can be a very versatile cartridge as well. Same dealer shows 4 options for 7x64 with 2 options in stock. In the 7mm bore diameter, these are both middle of the road choices, giving the shooter enough horsepower to get the job done, yet both are usually easy enough on the shoulder to allow for accurate shot placement. It’s on a VZ-24 Czech military Mauser action. Most major ammunition manufacturers offer at least one load for the .280 Remington, though it does still trail behind the .270 and .30-06. Jul 23, 2019 … All of them will kill deer with equal efficiency. quote: Originally posted by fredj338: What rifle is that being built on? By today’s standards, the 7x57mm Mauser is in the same league, albeit slightly less powerful than the .270 Win., .280 Rem., 7mm-08, and .284 Win. StarCraft II is a real-time strategy game from Blizzard Entertainment for the PC and Mac. If you look at Nolser manual #6 they use custom barrels. ... • .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington • .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser With the 7mm-08 rounds, the top performing round only has 295 inches of bullet drop while another has 435 inches. If hunting CXP2 game is your primary consideration, these four are exemplary cartridges, regardless of COL. More Guns. 100 yard Ballistic Gel testing a 140gn Core-Lokt bullet. Cartridge Fight: .270 Win. 7mm Rem Mag. I find no bad or negative comments written on either cartridge. The 7mm Showdown: 7x57 vs. 7mm-08 Rem. Like the .280, the best powders for the 7x64 are those in the 4350 through to 4831 burn rate range. 270 vs 280 vs 280 AI vs 7mm Rem Mag Ammo Selection. In fact, the .280 Remington may be one of the best balanced of the Springfield family. Few would consider the 7x57 a good choice for elephant or Cape buffalo, but it does make a great choice for deer, elk, black bear and a good number of the African plains game species. The Contestants. SAAMI spec pressure is higher with the 270 65KPSI vs 60KPSI for the 280. I am an idiot who needs sleep. Nothing I've pointed it at in anger has gone more than a step or two.~Muir . I have built customer's rifles in both calibers, shot them. 7x57 vs 7mm-08 Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by plp, Jun 6, 2018. Well, I run a .280 with 139s/140s at 3100-3150. I have built customer's rifles in both calibers, shot them. 7mm Wby Mag. The truth is that the 7x57 has proven itself adequate for even the world's biggest game under the right circumstances. The head diameter of the 7x64 is slightly smaller than the .280 (probably originally to avoid any patent issues with the Mauser brothers 8x57) however .270/.280 brass can be formed into 7x64. The 7x57 produces velocities around 100 to 150fps slower than the .270 and .280 Remington and in doing so, tends to produce mild recoil (in suitably fitting rifles). The truth is that the 7x57 has proven itself adequate for even the world's biggest game under the right circumstances. The 7-08 in place of the 7x57 loses nothing a deer would notice. I can't say anything about the .270 Winchester that hasn't already been written unless I lie. Just finished building a 7x57 Ackley on a squared up Mauser 98 with a 26" Benchmark #4 9 twist barrel. Taking the nostalgia out of the equation, the .280 Remington makes more sense, or perhaps I should say is more versatile for the one-gun hunter. S. srvet Well-Known Member. For example, in the first edition, there are loads for the .219 Zipper, .25-35, .280 Remington, 8x57, .358 Norma Magnum and .460 Weatherby; the 16th edition lists loads for the 6mm Creedmoor, .25-36 Marlin and 7.7mm Arisaka, among others. In a longer tube the extra case capacity of the 280 allows more of the slow burning stuff. Privacy Policy   •   Contact Us   •   Warnings   •   FAQs   •  © 2020 National Rifle Association of America, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Ambassadors, NRA Outstanding Achievement Youth Award Presented by Brownells, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, .450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express, .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum, .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum, Large Mountain Lion Spotted Outside Dallas, Head to Head: .308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield, Head to Head: .444 Marlin vs. .45-70 Government, 2020 National Rifle Association of America. I shoot 140s out of my .280 and have killed two bulls. So, the 7x57 has an emotional-historic relevance in South Africa. Mag. I love them all but if pushed to pick a favorite it would be the 7x57 hands down. Over 2900fps with a 140 accubond. Haut. I realise that this is probably no right or wrong answer to this, but it would be good to hear from users of either calibre. … I remember reading a post written by BobVZ on the our old message board explaining his results of converting a 7x57 to a 280 Remington. 7x57 vs. .280 Remington. The 7x57 is a nice upgrade to that. So, like the 7x57, the .280 Remington is at its best as a handloader's cartridge. 7mm WSM. Both the 7x57 and 280 are capable of somewhat higher pressures than this. EVOSTRIKE VS TIPSTRIKE in ballistic gelatin Test: Which hunting bullet suits you? (The 7x57 was designed for 175 grain bullets and the 6.5x55 for 160 grain bullets.) It’s worth noting, however, that some loads have been dropped. There is no plains game animal the 30-06 cant take down. The 7x57, 7mm-08, 6.5x55 and .260 Rem. Check it out! You thinking of Roberts or 280?- drybean. AGW- duh!!! were included in that article, but could not match the four short list cartridges in the area of availability of rifles and ammunition (read popularity). Top . I've loaded for both and have owned several 280's, 3-4 7x57, but have only worked with 140's in each because there was no requirement for a 160 for my hunting.All these rifles had 22" barrels and ran the gamut from Remington Mountain rifles to full blown customs. I had my Interarms Mark X in 7x57 rechambered to 280 Rem about 20 years ago and have regretted it ever since. The .280 Remington retains the same 17-degree 30-minute shoulder of the .30-06 but uses the 2.54-inch case of the .30-03 Springfield. 7x57 or 280 Remington. KSTEPHENS. Which of these loads will serve you best the next time a deer enters the crosshairs? Same with all the short action chamberings vs similar, but longer cartridges. Mag.• .375 Ruger vs. .375 H&H Magnum• 7mm-08 Remington vs. .280 Remington• .280 Remington vs. .280 Ackley Improved• 7mm vs. .30 Caliber• 6.5 Weatherby RPM vs. 6.5 PRC• .338 Win. The result: a necked neck. (In the case of the 7x57, also 175 grain bullets.) Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … To be honest, this is more of a personal, i.e. Those were right around 50 KPSI and 2800 FPS. … Tomahawks Are Back: These American Relics Have Seen a Resurgence in Military and Survival Situations. Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:22 pm Posts: 459 Location: Washington State, USA I guess the nostalgia of the 7x57 appeals to me over the 280. While all four are pretty commonly available, the .270 Winchester and the 7mm Remington Magnum are by far the most popular out of the bunch. and owned them. Mine is now a .280 Imp-Imp, but it shot extemely well before the rechamber, I've only fired start loads to fire form in it so far, but even those shot mostly insdie of 2" shooting 5 shots groups as fast as I could reload, let it cool and do it again for 50 rounds! I load for my sister's 7x57, and RL-17 has given some great velocity in that case. The switch would later be made to the 139-grain spitzer bullet at a much higher velocity, though the heavier bullet—and the Mauser rifle—made the 7x57mm Mauser’s reputation in the hunting fields. If I were you I would load it with Hornady GMX/Barnes X and not worry that you are under gunned or need a 7 mm. 7mm Rem Ultra Mag. The answer is that one fits in to a short action and the other gives you about an extra 100 to 150 FPS±. Wildcats be wildcats. 270 vs 280 vs 280 AI vs 7mm Rem Mag Ammo Selection. vs. .30-06; 7mm STW vs. .300 Wby. Can you can get a 7x57 160 loaded 2,850 to 2,900 fps? It is the success of the 7x57mm Mauser which has caused so many cartridges to be necked up or down to hold 7mm bullets; the .280 Remington is no exception. Which of these gets the nod? It is a flat-shooting cartridge, and though it does have more recoil than does the Mauser, it’s very user-friendly. In fact, those two cartridges are likely among the Top 10 best selling rifle cartridges in the United States each year. Not trying to make any ground-breaking statements here, but something occurred to me when I was chrono-ing some loads yesterday, which is that my short-action … But, a handloader and a modern rifle can run it at modern pressures up to 58-60K psi. Our modern bullets have done nothing but help the 19th century cartridge, making it even more effective than it was in the 1890s. Go. 28 Nosler. Jul 21, 2017 #1 A. ATX762 Senior Member. Mag.• .300 RSAUM vs. .300 WSM• .500 Jeffrey vs. .505 Gibbs• 7mm RUM vs. .300 RUM• .308 Winchester vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .260 Remington• .303 British vs. 8x57 Mauser• .30-06 Springfield vs. All Other .30s• .17 HMR vs. .17 WSM• .450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express• 350 Legend vs. .35 Remington• .280 Ackley Improved vs. 7mm Rem. I love the 6mm Remington but it doesn't really have that much of an advantage over the 243 really. … It will offer a velocity advantage of about 300 fps or so over the 7x57mm Mauser with most bullet weights, and the most popular choice for the .280 Remington seems to be the 140-, 150- and 160-grain slugs. They are the same cartridge, sort of like the .244 Remington/6MM Remington and the 7MM Express Remington/.280 Remington. Bolt Action Rifles Sponsored by Camera Land.280 vs. 7x57 . However, many gunwriters and hunters alike quietly went about loving the way the .280 Remington performed. In this case 270 vs 280, I have no idea why the 280 was created. by Philip Massaro - 7mm STW. ; 7mm Ultra Mag. The .280 is an excellent shooter, I don't recollect anyone here having one that doesn't love theirs, mine include. Toute cartouche de calibre .30 fournit plus d'énergie qu'une cartouche de 7 mm comparable. Long before it was used in the war it was the standard hunting rifle of many farmers. Hope you had a good Christmas. Why not just a .280? Top . Under 200 yards you can't tell the difference. Planetcat, Jun 7, 2018. One of the greater benefits of the 57mm case design is that velocity is limited to a level which tends to bring about optimum bullet performance with regard to terminal ballistics. Edited to add; I see now that cptpoly posted the same link, good info though. I used to shoot the 170 gr. fyrewall. At the turn of the 20th Century, with smokeless powder quickly replacing blackpowder, and jacketed bullets extending the terminal performance, the boundaries of acceptable cartridges were being developed and broken as technology progressed. vs. .300 Wby. Shaw and just have your Ruger rebarreled to another 7x57 or to 280. IIRC, his findings were, due to the twist rate of the military barrel he used, rather displeasing as he was having a hard time finding an accurate load for his rifle; especially with lighter bullets. Mag. Both the 7x57 and 280 are capable of somewhat higher pressures than this. Exemples, une 7mm-08 contre .308, une .280 Rem. Seen more than a few taken with .270's and 30-06 though. Sure, the 7mm Mauser is an old-timer, but this older round can keep up with newer ones. The Berger 180-grain VLD Target, Hornady 180-grain ELD Match, Sierra 183-grain MatchKing and Berger 195-grain EOL Elite Hunter have impressive BCs, but I was concerned whether the old 7x57 could drive the heavier bullets fast enough. It’s essentially a short-action round that has the potential to run neck-and-neck with the longer .280 Remington. Apr 26, 2017 #5 STOMP442 said: Just finished building a 7x57 Ackley on a squared up Mauser 98 with a 26" Benchmark #4 9 twist barrel. The .280 Remington retains the same 17-degree 30-minute shoulder of the .30-06 but uses the 2.54-inch case of the .30-03 Springfield. I don't hand load, so would be reliant on factory ammunition. The 7-08 in place of the 7x57 loses nothing a deer would notice. It did, for the first few decades of its existence, suffer from the incredible popularity of both the .30-06 Springfield and the .270 Winchester, and went through that weird name change debacle in the late 70s/early 80s when it was known as the 7mm Express Remington. The 7x57 produces velocities around 100 to 150fps slower than the .270 and .280 Remington and in doing so, tends to produce mild recoil (in suitably fitting rifles). In fact, those two cartridges are likely among the Top 10 best … Supporter . as a benchmark, according to the Remington website for same bullet factory load. I think the 30-06 would be a better bet. vs .280 Rem. DrMike Post subject: Re: 7x57 or 7x57 AI. Last edited: Jun 9, 2018. Latest. Calibre 7x57R en vente en ligne sur l'armurerie française, bénéficiez des meilleurs conditions tarifaires et d'une livraison très rapide. The advantage of the 280 AI is the better selection of high BC bullets, slightly lower recoil and longer brass life. Personally I don't have any experience with 7x57 on elk. ! STOMP442 said: Just finished building a 7x57 Ackley on a squared up Mauser 98 with a 26" Benchmark #4 9 twist barrel. 7x57 or 280 Remington. Reactions: Gb300wm, DHuffman and Mulligan. They are the same cartridge, sort of like the .244 Remington/6MM Remington and the 7MM Express Remington/.280 Remington. Palouser Post subject: Re: 7x57 or 7x57 AI. Joined Jun 30, 2017 Messages 115 Location Austin, TX. Nous vous livrons également au drive sans-contact du Magasin de Nîmes. Since I don't have access to such resources, I would tend to use an approximation. My favorite rifle is a 7x57. Steve. Illustrations courtesy of Hornady March 05, 2013 By Brad Fitzpatrick. The .280 reamer will not clean up the old neck. Hunters alike quietly went about loving the way the.280 Remington retains same! Regardless of COL burns more consistently for, SAAMI for the 7x57 and 280 are capable somewhat. 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