Full-magnum action long. mtmuley. Nosler developed this cartridge to equal or exceed both the 7mm Weatherby and 7mm Remington Ultra-Mag plus fit into a .30-06-length action. To be fair,they only got 2725 with the 7mm-08,and 3195 with the 28 Nos So I ran the 10 mph 1000 yd wind numbers 7mm-08 : 82 in drift,7.8 MOA 7mm Rem Mag:72.5 in drift,6.9 MOA 28 Nos 64.4 in drift,6.1 MOA So,at 1000 yds,7-08 vs 7mm Rem mag, drift is approx 7 ft vs 6 feet. In 2015, Nosler created its new .28 Nosler by necking up the .26 Nosler case—itself a derivative of the 7mm RUM case, which descended from the .404 Jeffery. Tags: .28 caliber, 7mm, cartridge, elk hunting, Long Range, Nosler, up-armored elk Nosler has announced what it calls the “most powerful commercial 7mm cartridge”: The .28 Nosler. Mag. If you are well stocked on brass, stay RUM.
During firing, the bullet had to free-travel 0.120 inch prior to engaging the rifling. But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, wait’ll you haul around a 28-inch. A bigger concern might be barrel heating and subsequent “wandering.” Thin barrels tend to distort slightly with heat, opening up groups. We have updated our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy as of May 5th, 2020. One of my questions is about the recoil. Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:53 am . They sharpened the shoulder angle. Fill this with 88 grains of slow burning Reloader 33 powder and, according to the Nosler Reloading Guide 8, you should get 3,211 fps from a 26-inch barrel. It was initially developed between the years 2010 and 2011, then underwent further R&D towards optimum throat geometry with batch reamer production beginning in February 2017. I am planning on using the 195 Berger's at around 3050-3100 FPS. Keep it RUM, go .30 or .338. mtmuley. The additional reach is tempting, but I’d pay the price with a 26-inch, fairly heavy barrel. bullet have what it takes for hunting anything short of dangerous game. I've seen what that other 7 you have will do. Mag. The U.S.A. hasn’t fully adopted the metric system, but our shooters and hunters have. I’m sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. HuntPost® is a registered trademark. Read Next: Small Calibers for Big Game. 1:10 24 in. I can step up to a 30 magnum and do better for the same price in recoil. Lots of hiking, backpacking, climbing, shooting to 450 yards, maybe 500 yards. If you had to pick one of these 3 cartridges which would you choose? with the same label, since it burns about 10 grains more powder than the .280 Rem. You might think Remington started the 7mm cartridge trend in 1962 with its famous 7mm Remington Magnum, but by then the 7mm Mauser was already well known. I had done (3 custom 7mm R.E.M. I love them for elk. I have not kept an accurate record of the number of rounds fired, but it has accounted for a lot of game during the past 27 years, including a record-book interior grizzly in Alaska in 2010. I do like the nosler brass a lot even if it is pricey. A Coveted Moose Tag Reveals the Complicated Reality of Western Big-Game Hunting, Why a Shotgun Is the Best Option for Home Defense—Plus 3 Guns You Should Buy. 7mm Reloading Components. I'd stay 7mm and rebarrel. OK. Got it. LRH is a good source. 28 Nosler also uses the standard magnum bolt face (.540) instead of the larger .585 bolt face of the Norma. Few who own rifles chambered for the new cartridge and take good care of them will wear out a barrel during a lifetime of hunting. Post subject: 7mm Rem vs 7mm Weatherby. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. This is Not a New Thing, Finding the Perfect Grouse Gun is a Lifelong Pursuit, “It Was About Representation. It's been Mickey'd and Kampfeld'd but not bedded. for my brand of hunting. More obscure were the 7mm Gibbs and the Norma-loaded 7x61mm Sharpe & Hart in the early 1950s. 1:10 243 Winchester (left-handed) 24 in. The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. The 175-grain 28 Nosler is topped with an AccuBond LR bullet and has a muzzle velocity of 3,125 fps. Mag. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bullets—just faster. mtmuley. You want 98.2 grains water capacity behind a seated 175-grain bullet? No better though. As with any of the “super magnum” sized cartridges that are necked down to smaller calibers, slow powders will work best. Oct 10, 2007 1,136 772 CEO Team waffle house. Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. 7mm-08 Remington 24 in. Mag. And that’s part of the reason 7mms are so popular. without laser assistance. This is a long-range dream cartridge for sure. These are some impressive numbers. A barrel “shot out” for target competition might remain more than accurate enough for big game hunting. You are using an out of date browser. It also has a small dent on the interior concentric of the crown...factor? The situation is mule deer and elk hunting in the northwest and shooting within 400 yards. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM. And more recoil. But he said if he slowed the bullet down to 3050fps he could get 7 reloads per brass. The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. Hunting gifts received-let’s see/hear ‘em. 28 Nosler Load Data is now available: 28 Nosler 150 Grain 28 Nosler 160 Grain 28 Nosler 168 Grain 28 Nosler 175 Grain The rim of the RUM was already rebated to fit a .534-inch bolt face. 1:10 300 PRC 26 in. More than simply 'magnum power', the 7mm Practical has been engineered to produce a high degree of inherent accuracy, versatility, long term wear and user friendliness. I personally like the nosler better because you don't have to use as much powder which should help in a little less recoil and still be able to get good velocities with a 25"-26" compared to needing a longer barrel to utilize the charge of the RUM. Or....... Rebarrel said RUM, still staying 7mm in the RUM, and throat for the 195 grain Berger Elite Hunter. I've not accurately counted range rounds but it's a lot..purchased shortly after caliber roll out. JavaScript is disabled. As you might guess, there isn’t much trajectory/performance difference between the RUM and the Nosler. 28 Nosler Load Data; 300 AAC Blackout Load Data; 30-30 Winchester Load Data; 30/40 Krag Load Data; 308 Marlin Express Load Data; 300 Savage Load Data; ... 7mm RUM Cartridge Information. Barrel life is always a concern with maximum velocity, so-called overbore cartridges. It is ammonia based so ventilation is nice. Quackillr gave me data. 1:9 308 Winchester 20 in. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. GJ. and a high B.C. They are more alike than different. Style, panache and efficiency. Part of this is due to the .40 inches of freeborn Remington builds into its 7mm RUMs to minimize chamber pressures on ignition. Compared against the familiar, 53-year-old 7mm Rem. I have not done a 33 nosler, but have done plenty of 338 edges and rums. This compromise should account for the slower muzzle velocities many rifles produce with factory loads and safe handloads. But they didn’t shorten anything. High-velocity cartridges are high velocity for a reason. include more options in rifles and ammo, more accessible and less expensive ammo, less recoil, a potentially shorter, handier, lighter rifle, and longer barrel life. _____ Lynn Last edited by Ridgerunner665 on Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:10 am, edited 1 time in total. Because the 7mm RM is a familiar benchmark, let’s establish some basic performance numbers in an 8 pound rifle with 24-inch barrel spitting a representative spire point, boat tail, 175-grain hunting bullet, B.C. But to really appreciate this, let’s run a trajectory chart out to some crazy ranges. We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm — and especially 7mm. With full power factory loads or equivalent reloads, expect barrel life to … Thanks! Indeed, over the years my 7mms have handled this stuff. Mag. Barrels are like truck tires. These are specialized cartridges for specific missions. If not a 280 Ackley....then either a 28 Nosler or an STW. .284 bullets to fit the bores of all 7mm cartridges come in a wide variety of shapes and weights from 100 grains to 180 grains—adequate for everything from coyotes to big bears. Fill this brass case with smokeless powder instead of water and, according to some handloading guides, 62.5 grains of Reloader 22 should shove a 175-grain bullet from a 24-inch barrel 2,870 fps. I’d be set for all North American game plus African plains game right up to 1,800-pound eland. Thanks in advance for input . Minuteman. Most hunters who resist target practice can get a lifetime of good accuracy out of these 7mms. Some are claiming as little as 600-round barrel life for RUM, 1,000 rounds for .28 Nosler, 2,000 for Rem. The 7mm Remington Ultra Mag uses a larger capacity case and, loaded to the same MAP, has the potential to outperform the .28 Nosler, although not by a lot. This friction-free bullet jump allows it to break inertia more easily. 7mm Bullets . 1:9 280 Ackley 26 in. Typical 140- to 175-grain, .284 slugs are wide enough to resist bending (a problem Bell had with tough, thick elephant bones) yet narrow enough to minimize drag. Going NOS may require a bit of work for feeding (as read elsewhere). A bigger concern might be barrel heating and subsequent “wandering.” Thin barrels tend to distort slightly with heat, opening up groups. It is based on the fat, belt-free 404 Jeffery case, but Nosler likely just started with the 7mm RUM which is itself a modified Jeffery. It shoots farther, … 7-08 vs 28 Nos,its (drumroll) a foot and a half. Meanwhile, over in Africa a Scottish commercial ivory hunter named Bell was making the little 7x57mm famous as a BIG big game round by dropping some 800 elephants with it. with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. It may not display this or other websites correctly. might not sound like a big deal until you start maneuvering it in and out of cases, trucks, scabbards, and forests. So how do you choose among these three? Ron Spomer. With the 27 Nosler I think you would really have something different that is better and unique. was a little overboard). Now let’s compare this to our other two 7mm candidates. Let’s compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. performance without stepping up to a full magnum length cartridge and rifle action was Nosler’s goal. Like the 7mm STW and 7mm RUM, the .28 Nosler is seriously over-bore. Second Place: 28 Nosler, 59.0 Points. With over 18,000 posts though I suspect you know all of this already but just my two cents. And the if the numbers Nosler has provided on the two variants it’s releasing are on the mark, there is little arguing the cartridge has plenty of snap. to add 200 … Above the .270 and into the 7mm category (actually 7.2mm) is the 7 mm Weatherby Magnum based on the 300 H & H case and shoots a 139 grain head at 3300 fps and the 7mm Dakota which uses the same 404 Jeffrey Case as the 26 Nosler, it is smack between the 120 grain head with Mv of 3400 fps in the 7mm Dakota and the 139 grain head with Mv of 3300 fps. Obviously greater the gap when using lighter bullets as they a shorter. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. The difference might surprise you. You go long. I suspect throat issues. And that means more powder. Ron Spomer provides an in-depth look at Nosler's 7mm rifle cartridge, the 28 Nosler. That results in performance like this: Whoa grandma! Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. Three quid k shots can overheat a thin barrel and turn a 1 MOA rifle into a 2 MOA. I only know a few who shoot 7rums and they all shoot heavy for caliber rounds and find them to be very picky at times. It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. Less well known in the U.S. (but more ballistically advanced) was the 7mm Weatherby Magnum from the early 1940s. You can drive 10 mph and get thousands and thousands more miles out of your tires, but wouldn’t you rather drive highway speed? .672., MV 2,900 fps. 28 Nosler Brass.280 Remington Brass.280 Ackley Improved Brass Then Remington blew the doors wide open with their new 7mm magnum chambered in their equally new and affordable M700 rifles. Is it a factory or custom gun to start with? Partition (.519 BC/.310 SD) at 3125 fps. Its made by Ogre Manufacturing in Milwaukee. After I get the copper out I like to polish the bore with JB compound. You must log in or register to reply here. I ended up sacrificing one of the custom 7mm R.E.M. Overall cartridge length of the 7mm RUM is 3.6 inches, right there with a .375 H&H Magnum. I believe to get the most benefit out of the 28 nosler you need to have it chambered using a custom reamer with a longer throat to be able to utilize as much of the case as possible with the heavy for caliber bullets. If budget is a concern, then the cheapest option in new rifles is Remington's 7mm Ultra Mag stainless SPS at $838, and since the 7mm RUM had more than a decade head start on the .28, there are some Ultra Mags available on used gun racks and on Internet resale sites. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 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